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		<title>Comment on Is there an appetite for radical change? by Dave Williams</title>
		<link>http://llaisygoedwig.org.uk/2012/02/14/is-there-an-appetite-for-radical-change/comment-page-1/#comment-1008</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is often hard for people to comment when things are wrapped up in organisational jargon - in many ways people don&#039;t know the details of what existed before - what were the seperate roles and remits of FCW, CCW and Environment Agency (in headline points - not fine detail!)

Then they need to see some headline as to how those old functions will either continue or change - and what realistic options are. Then they can comment effectively. Another way is to use  some &#039;close to home&#039; case example - such as a proposal to plant up an upland reservoir area with conifer woodland - what is the Forestry Commission&#039;s role, what would CCW cover, what would Environment Agency cover - and how would revised single environment body make for better outcomes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is often hard for people to comment when things are wrapped up in organisational jargon &#8211; in many ways people don&#8217;t know the details of what existed before &#8211; what were the seperate roles and remits of FCW, CCW and Environment Agency (in headline points &#8211; not fine detail!)</p>
<p>Then they need to see some headline as to how those old functions will either continue or change &#8211; and what realistic options are. Then they can comment effectively. Another way is to use  some &#8216;close to home&#8217; case example &#8211; such as a proposal to plant up an upland reservoir area with conifer woodland &#8211; what is the Forestry Commission&#8217;s role, what would CCW cover, what would Environment Agency cover &#8211; and how would revised single environment body make for better outcomes?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is there an appetite for radical change? by adam_thorogood</title>
		<link>http://llaisygoedwig.org.uk/2012/02/14/is-there-an-appetite-for-radical-change/comment-page-1/#comment-1007</link>
		<dc:creator>adam_thorogood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply, a good response. &quot;Delivery&quot; of radical change becomes a more graspable possibility with the Welsh Government having greater legislative powers. One way in which radical change could be instigated is by putting communities at the heart of environmental decision making and governance. The &quot;Sustaining a Living Wales&quot; green paper makes noises in this direction but we&#039;ve yet to see how such policies and the proposed single body itself will actually enable this to happen.

I fully agree that the communications plans behind consultations leave them flat and uninteresting to all but the most driven/fanatical/bothered. If a government is serious about participatory democracy then an open and understandable discourse needs to be adopted and the diversity of interest groups engaged needs to be expanded. 

Hopefully the Llais y Goedwig conference will inspire more people to comment on these consultations, to get to grips with the issues and make their voices heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply, a good response. &#8220;Delivery&#8221; of radical change becomes a more graspable possibility with the Welsh Government having greater legislative powers. One way in which radical change could be instigated is by putting communities at the heart of environmental decision making and governance. The &#8220;Sustaining a Living Wales&#8221; green paper makes noises in this direction but we&#8217;ve yet to see how such policies and the proposed single body itself will actually enable this to happen.</p>
<p>I fully agree that the communications plans behind consultations leave them flat and uninteresting to all but the most driven/fanatical/bothered. If a government is serious about participatory democracy then an open and understandable discourse needs to be adopted and the diversity of interest groups engaged needs to be expanded. </p>
<p>Hopefully the Llais y Goedwig conference will inspire more people to comment on these consultations, to get to grips with the issues and make their voices heard.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is there an appetite for radical change? by Guy S</title>
		<link>http://llaisygoedwig.org.uk/2012/02/14/is-there-an-appetite-for-radical-change/comment-page-1/#comment-1006</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. I guess the question I have (not knowing much about this area at all) is, how much power does the Welsh Government have to *deliver* radical change? If the answer is &#039;not very much&#039;, that might help account for low participation - the perception being, &#039;what&#039;s the point?&#039;. 

That said - Westminster consultations also tend to get low response rates even if the policy area is one over which the UK government has high influence. Barriers include the boring / nerdy nature in which many policy debates are framed, and the appalling outreach effort by central govt - who are usually very happy just to deal with a narrow set of established interest groups. 

A way to disturb this cosy system is to organise for higher levels of participation from outside the usual suspects. So sounds like your conference is much needed and timely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I guess the question I have (not knowing much about this area at all) is, how much power does the Welsh Government have to *deliver* radical change? If the answer is &#8216;not very much&#8217;, that might help account for low participation &#8211; the perception being, &#8216;what&#8217;s the point?&#8217;. </p>
<p>That said &#8211; Westminster consultations also tend to get low response rates even if the policy area is one over which the UK government has high influence. Barriers include the boring / nerdy nature in which many policy debates are framed, and the appalling outreach effort by central govt &#8211; who are usually very happy just to deal with a narrow set of established interest groups. </p>
<p>A way to disturb this cosy system is to organise for higher levels of participation from outside the usual suspects. So sounds like your conference is much needed and timely.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is there an appetite for radical change? by adam_thorogood</title>
		<link>http://llaisygoedwig.org.uk/2012/02/14/is-there-an-appetite-for-radical-change/comment-page-1/#comment-1005</link>
		<dc:creator>adam_thorogood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Abi,

Thanks for responding! 

These are good points that you raise. There has been criticism in the past that consultation questions have been framed in ways that only really allow people &quot;in the know&quot; to answer, and prevent the lay person getting involved unless they have loads of time to trawl through the documents and get up to speed on the issues. This may be the case for some consultations and it is part of the territory, you&#039;ve got to expect technical discussion when it comes to policy decisions. But, what is the point of open consultations if people can&#039;t engage with them either because of time or jargon? Have a look at the Sustaining a living Wales consultation, it&#039;s set out in an online form that is easy to find your way through and the questions aren&#039;t loaded with policy terms. Also, if time is the problem, Llais y Goedwig will be submitting answers to both consultations over the next few months, this gives more people the chance to get involved and speak through the voice that is Llais y Goedwig. Watch this space for more on the Llais y Goedwig response and shout if you want to be involved! Adam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Abi,</p>
<p>Thanks for responding! </p>
<p>These are good points that you raise. There has been criticism in the past that consultation questions have been framed in ways that only really allow people &#8220;in the know&#8221; to answer, and prevent the lay person getting involved unless they have loads of time to trawl through the documents and get up to speed on the issues. This may be the case for some consultations and it is part of the territory, you&#8217;ve got to expect technical discussion when it comes to policy decisions. But, what is the point of open consultations if people can&#8217;t engage with them either because of time or jargon? Have a look at the Sustaining a living Wales consultation, it&#8217;s set out in an online form that is easy to find your way through and the questions aren&#8217;t loaded with policy terms. Also, if time is the problem, Llais y Goedwig will be submitting answers to both consultations over the next few months, this gives more people the chance to get involved and speak through the voice that is Llais y Goedwig. Watch this space for more on the Llais y Goedwig response and shout if you want to be involved! Adam</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is there an appetite for radical change? by abi price</title>
		<link>http://llaisygoedwig.org.uk/2012/02/14/is-there-an-appetite-for-radical-change/comment-page-1/#comment-1004</link>
		<dc:creator>abi price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are the questions that first spring to mind. How much time does it take for people to get used to the idea of engaging and having an opinion? Do people feel that their opinion counts? How much time to we feel we have to consider and respond to consultation documents? How easy is it to respond?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are the questions that first spring to mind. How much time does it take for people to get used to the idea of engaging and having an opinion? Do people feel that their opinion counts? How much time to we feel we have to consider and respond to consultation documents? How easy is it to respond?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Glastir footpaths by Jenny</title>
		<link>http://llaisygoedwig.org.uk/2011/09/26/glastir-footpaths/comment-page-1/#comment-824</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to everyone who sent me information about this. The meeting last Friday went well in that we were able to come up with a procedure taht shouldn&#039;t be too difficult to manage if you want to use Glastir Woodland Management for access/footpath work. As soon as you decide to apply for Glastir and are thinking about footpath work you should register your wood on VisitWoods to indicate you are inviting people to use your woods. Then when you apply for Glastir they should be able to fund access work in your woods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to everyone who sent me information about this. The meeting last Friday went well in that we were able to come up with a procedure taht shouldn&#8217;t be too difficult to manage if you want to use Glastir Woodland Management for access/footpath work. As soon as you decide to apply for Glastir and are thinking about footpath work you should register your wood on VisitWoods to indicate you are inviting people to use your woods. Then when you apply for Glastir they should be able to fund access work in your woods.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Woodlands and You by David Williams</title>
		<link>http://llaisygoedwig.org.uk/2011/08/04/woodlands-and-you/comment-page-1/#comment-789</link>
		<dc:creator>David Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 20:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Potentially good - and hopefully a way that communities can have more real involvement with the woodlkands around them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Potentially good &#8211; and hopefully a way that communities can have more real involvement with the woodlkands around them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Update from Glastir meeting by Jenny</title>
		<link>http://llaisygoedwig.org.uk/2011/08/25/update-from-glastir-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-787</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who asked to be forwarded the Sell2Wales advert for woodland planners for Glastir - the ad isn&#039;t out yet. It is somewhere in the government procurement pipeline! We will let you know as soon as it is out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who asked to be forwarded the Sell2Wales advert for woodland planners for Glastir &#8211; the ad isn&#8217;t out yet. It is somewhere in the government procurement pipeline! We will let you know as soon as it is out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Launch of Woodland Carbon Code by Deonna Westcote</title>
		<link>http://llaisygoedwig.org.uk/2011/07/29/launch-of-woodland-carbon-code/comment-page-1/#comment-772</link>
		<dc:creator>Deonna Westcote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 02:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the information, helpful indeed. If I may, would I be able to use an extract or two on my article?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the information, helpful indeed. If I may, would I be able to use an extract or two on my article?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Still a long way to go until Glastir works for farmers by David Williams</title>
		<link>http://llaisygoedwig.org.uk/2011/07/19/still-a-long-way-to-go-until-glastir-works-for-farmers/comment-page-1/#comment-665</link>
		<dc:creator>David Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do need to acknoledge that the upland margins are sensible areas for planting, for good diversification in farming areas. The grant process has to be straightforward for take up - and hopefully good examples will be shared to encourage involvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do need to acknoledge that the upland margins are sensible areas for planting, for good diversification in farming areas. The grant process has to be straightforward for take up &#8211; and hopefully good examples will be shared to encourage involvement.</p>
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